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asc1226 ( member #75363) posted at 5:10 PM on Tuesday, June 17th, 2025

We even bought 2 properties here (her country) so we could "retire."

You may want to consult a local attorney about the disposition of these properties before you leave.

I make edits, words is hard

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3yrsout ( member #50552) posted at 6:00 PM on Tuesday, June 17th, 2025

Don’t have sex with her after you discover. It can be legally "condoning" it if you live in a US state where you might get an "at fault" divorce.

Dude. I’m so sorry. There aren’t words, but we are here for you.

I’m so sorry. Stay strong. Avoid booze.

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 Hunter235 (original poster new member #71291) posted at 9:35 AM on Wednesday, June 18th, 2025

Thanks for the replies. I'm still here in Asia and the wife isn't aware I know. The more I re-read her text history the more I realize all her actions are to get close to him: work trips she claimed she wanted to improve her career, solo trips home to visit family, sexy work out fits, exercising after work, etc. She even wanted me to change to look like him: get more tan, grow a beard. etc. She used to hate those things on me.
Anyway, I really don't care about the property here. She pretty much owns those since I'm a foreigner. I'll call it a wash can get out of my marriage with my 401K and pension intact. Arizona is a no-fault divorce state so infidelity doesn't really matter here. We did do a covenant marriage since we both profess Christian beliefs. I can get out of the waiting period for that due to infidelity however. Anyway. Im just researching and plotting. No drinking since I tend to say what is on my mind ha ha.

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 Hunter235 (original poster new member #71291) posted at 9:38 AM on Wednesday, June 18th, 2025

And yes I'm done with sex with her. All I can think of when she touches me is revulsion at what she did with him. No hysterical bonding here. I just pretend to be tired and stressed. I don't think she minds because she sees sex with me as a chore I think.

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The1stWife ( Guide #58832) posted at 9:40 AM on Wednesday, June 18th, 2025

So sorry for you.

This breaks my heart reading this. I cannot imagine marrying someone you love and learning they may not have loved you in the same way.

I hope she gets what she deserves.

Survived two affairs and brink of Divorce. Happily reconciled. 12 years out from Dday. Reconciliation takes two committed people to be successful.

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Bigger ( Attaché #8354) posted at 1:03 PM on Friday, June 20th, 2025

As with all legal based/toned advice on this site – keep in mind it’s the worst type of advice offered and should at most be used as something to think about or contemplate further.

We did do a covenant marriage since we both profess Christian beliefs.

Just remember that marriage per se (and therefore the termination of it) is a secular thing as far as the law is concerned.
A covenant marriage requires some specific reasons for a divorce, and if your wife is reluctant to agree to your terms, she could make it difficult. The very first term that allows for a divorce is adultery. The very last term is if both agree and ask for a divorce.
Your aim might best be to get her to agree to a fair division of assets and that she agrees to the divorce. A tool to get that goal might be the threat of you filing for divorce based on adultery, and that requiring the OM to be subpoenaed to give evidence.

Keep in mind that Arizona has rather strict laws regarding expected privacy, so unless you have regular access to her phone then what you found (and copied) might not be acceptable.

"If, therefore, any be unhappy, let him remember that he is unhappy by reason of himself alone." Epictetus

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 Hunter235 (original poster new member #71291) posted at 6:58 PM on Friday, June 20th, 2025

Thanks for the insight. I'm not going to do anything until I get back to the United States and talk to a few lawyers. My ultimate goal is a fast divorce that is unmessy as possible.
I will notify the other betrayed spouse but I'm worried about her reaction. I'm a pretty emotionally-controlled person but I never met her. I would hate for her to physically assault my wife and just make this even more messy. In my military and law enforcement career I've seen scenarios where the betrayed spouse directs their anger only at the cheater.
I also do not need false charges of domestic violence against me. I have to make sure my duty and private weapons are secured in a distant location in case she does play that game. That could keep me riding the desk forever. Anyway, this is one big, fine mess that has kept me sleepless for almost 3 weeks.

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asc1226 ( member #75363) posted at 8:15 PM on Friday, June 20th, 2025

If false charges are a concern, buy a voice activated recorder. From the moment you bring up her infidelity and divorce have it on you and running anytime you’re together.

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asc1226 ( member #75363) posted at 8:19 PM on Friday, June 20th, 2025

Security cameras in the common areas of the house should also be considered if you’re going to have to be under the same roof for an extended period.

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Bigger ( Attaché #8354) posted at 1:34 PM on Sunday, June 22nd, 2025

If you have a LEO background, then you probably have ample experience in dealing with domestic abuse.
The risk of false accusations is a real one, but you also probably know from experience what the preferred protocol is for reacting to domestic abuse. Like I recall that when the abuse wasn’t clear or obvious our goal was simply to get one partner to agree to stay elsewhere for some time, with no admission or assumption of abuse.
You also probably know better than us the laws on recording and all that. Like the idea of a security camera, it is a good one, as long as it is clear that everyone in the home knows about it. If you were to install one without the knowledge of the residents of the home, it becomes abuse. Same with a camera in the bedroom, bathroom or places with expectations of privacy.
Have a VAR, but IMHO the main objective of the VAR is to prevent false accusations rather than catch them. If she escalates – you pull out the VAR and the first thing you record is you saying at least 2-3 times "I am recording this for my own protection. I am making you aware that I am recording what is going on".

I can share that I – as a former cop – would lean towards the side of the wife if her husband shared secret recordings. I would think this premeditated, where the husband created the scenario and then pulled the wife into the recorded area to "frame" her.

Here are some suggestions:
Lay off the booze. A sniff of alcohol always puts you in a worse position to the responding LEO.
Avoid arguments. The fact of the matter is that you are filing, divorcing and all that. Arguing about why she "had" to have the affair, how you didn’t take care of her or whatever has no purpose or goal. Just walk away. If she chases – the VAR with my warning as the first recording.
Avoid arguments (heated) about the divorce. You make her an offer and then she can discuss it with your attorney or her attorney.
Keep a distance. If that means sleeping in the spare room – not an issue. It’s only temporary. Sinc you are determined to divorce, your key is to keep the pressure on that process and to move as fast as possible.
You are divorcing... If she is tasteless enough to dress up to go date OM, or doesn’t come home at expected times... Not your issue. Don’t let her goad you into arguments or anger. It’s only temporary.

As a cop – ever had someone stand a foot from you talking about the smell of bacon, how they really pay your wages and all that? Your training prevents you from bashing their head in. You need the same sort of attitude here... The goal is to get out of this the safe and correct way. Keep your eye on the end-goal.

"If, therefore, any be unhappy, let him remember that he is unhappy by reason of himself alone." Epictetus

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Cooley2here ( member #62939) posted at 3:39 PM on Sunday, June 22nd, 2025

First, thank you for your service. Second, thanks for being a cop. As a social worker who has worked many cases with cops I know the stress of your job. I also know you hate domestic issues so pay attention to Bigger. Don’t let your grief and anger cause you to do something you will regret.

A good lawyer is going to guide you through this with as little emotion as possible.

Your son is going to be a mass of hormones. He might become very angry, even outraged, once you separate. I strongly suggest you contact a therapist whose specialty is children. They can give you suggestions on how to tell him, and how to handle the after effects. If possible do a hobby together, but spend as much time as you can with him. A caveat. The first hormone that hits is now in charge. His rational brain is taking a nap. I think being guided by a professional will help you and he might need therapy as well. AND his desire to be as far away from adults as possible is nature’s way of preparing him to move out at some point.

I study by reading and by watching experts and every doctor says to do strength training. Buy some weights to wrap around your ankles. Sit in a straight chair and lift you legs, one at a time, 10 times. Hand weights should be your go to daily. My orthopedist said he would not do as many knee surgeries if people did those simple leg lifts. Get outside. Getting sunlight on your face early in the morning is extremely important. This helps with overall health. Join a group that does things you are interested in. If you have a buddy that makes you laugh have him on speed dial. Laughter is healing. Walk rather than ride.

Your body is under siege. It recognizes danger. Your "lizard" brain cannot tell the difference between a lion and your wife’s behavior. Both are threatening to your life. Talk to a dr about meds for anxiety and sleep. Don’t be stoic and think you are "handling" it. No one can. It is a hit to your entire being. Pay attention to how you are feeling and get help if you need it.

This place is your backup but I hope you have someone who supports you while you go through this. Please take care of yourself.

When things go wrong, don’t go with them. Elvis

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 Hunter235 (original poster new member #71291) posted at 4:28 AM on Monday, June 23rd, 2025

Thanks for the replies. I'm getting ready to return to the U.S. Wife still doesn't know that I know. She's too busy getting her beauty treatments here (cheaper) to impress her boyfriend when we get back I'm sure. I'm a LEO but my organization is federal so we don't investigate domestic abuse. I have backed up local PDs here enough on them to get an idea. I'm going to call divorce lawyers as soon as I get back. I'll keep you posted.

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leafields ( Guide #63517) posted at 5:30 AM on Monday, June 23rd, 2025

Good luck. I hope things go your way.

BW M 34years, Dday 1: March 2018, Dday 2: August 2019, D final 2/25/21

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